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I can officially say I respect Hilary Duff

Post by Synchronicity on Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:35 pm

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Post by vee on Fri May 15, 2009 11:15 pm

The ad is cool but I'm sure she didn't do it for free Wink
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Re: I can officially say I respect Hilary Duff

Post by jazzbeans on Fri May 15, 2009 11:57 pm

However... Context is everything.

Words can even mean the opposite of what they originally meant.
E.g., I used to hear "wicked" being used to mean "really good/cool"
when it means "really bad" in the original context I hear it being used in.

You need to look for the context in which things are said, moreso than
the actual words. Long ago, if someone said "Breast" this was
equivalent to a curse word - which I don't think people relate to now.

This topic is important to me because some people are affraid to use
certain words around me in fear of offending me, when I don't actually
mind because the context in which they'd want to say them is fine.

I don't believe people attach the different meanings of Gay together.
I don't think that when people say "That's so gay" about a hangbag...
they're thinking of insulting homosexuals. Just as I don't think that
someone using the term Gay for a homosexual is thinking of the
context in which Gay is used to mean Lively/Happy.

"Ooh, what beautiful gay colours" < hardly referring to homosexuals.
Perhaps the term "Gay" was applied to homosexuals 'cause of the
camp stereotype, but I think it's past that now anyways, so it's irrelevant.
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Re: I can officially say I respect Hilary Duff

Post by Synchronicity on Sat May 16, 2009 1:00 am

I'm thinking you don't get American slang jazz, If someone says "that's so gay" about a handbag they don't mean it as happy that's a dead term, they mean it as stupid, or ugly. See people think "well this purse is stupid...like a gay person, therefore it's gay" is basically what they're saying. It's a very rude and offensive term to gay people in my opinion.

and vee you're probably right, but it's still a nice thing.
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Post by jazzbeans on Sat May 16, 2009 6:35 am

Gay's slang means lame here too.

In America, it seems that people have issues with homosexuality
moreso than they do here, but for England (in my experience), there
is not even a thought on homosexuality when they are using this term.

If people aren't referring to homosexuals when using the term (at least
not anymore - for England) and in fact just adding a new meaning to
the word, then I don't see anything wrong.

"One reason for this increase in use could be because "gay" has partly
lost its sexual connotations among young people, he says. While still
pejorative, for the majority of youngsters it has replaced words such
as "lame".

"I have interviewed scores of school kids about this and they are
always emphatic that it has nothing at all to do with hostility to
homosexuals," says Mr Thorne, compiler of the Dictionary of
Contemporary Slang. "It is nearly always used in contexts where
sexual orientation and sexuality are completely irrelevant." "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7289390.stm
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Post by Synchronicity on Sat May 16, 2009 2:07 pm

Well yes unfortunately there's a lot more homophobia in the states, and that's why it pertains to us here more because, yeah, a lot of them don't mean it as a dig at gay people, but they do know what it means, they know it's a dis to gay people.

Honestly saying it's okay to say it because they don't mean it like that, is like if i say "That's so [N word]" to mean that's so lame, and my defense is that I don't mean it to offend black people. It doens't matter...it just makes it okay for other people to use other offensive terms, like fagot, or dike, or whatever.
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Post by jazzbeans on Sat May 16, 2009 2:50 pm

To say the N word is fine if you don't mean it in an offence context.
It's ridiculous to say it's [always and only] offensive nowadays (the word
itself is hollow, it's use is the important factor). A lady got kicked out of a Big
Brother house for singing a song that said something like "Dance with me [N]"
(and the only reason I don't use the word myself now is because I dunno
whether I'd be kicked out from here). I totally disagree with their actions, she
was just singing a song and having a blast, not at all meaning it offensively.
Even the black girl dancing with her said that it was harmless.

You have the right to be offended, if you want.
But it's ridiculous to me to get offended by something that's clearly not
meant to offend.

Loads of words can be offensive to me, if you called me the N word
in an offensive way I'd be just as offended as if you called me a swear
word or if you said "You!!" in a rude way, etc. Same thing.

If instead of the F word you said "Cookie", and it was known worldwide
to the English language that this was the new F word, then Cookie
would become an offensive word.

Words change meaning, for better or worse. Regardless of how or where
they derived, they're practically different words.

The word gay meant Happy, but then for some reason it was used to
mean Homosexual too.. Now it can also mean lame, so? The actually term
derived from a negative meaning ANYWAY.

"The word started to acquire sexual connotations in the late 17th
century, being used with meaning "addicted to pleasures and
dissipations". This was by extension from the primary meaning of
"carefree": implying "uninhibited by moral constraints". By the late
nineteenth century the term "gay life" was a well-established
euphemism for prostitution and other forms of extramarital sexual
behavior that were perceived as immoral." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay

Yes. Immoral and even in the 20th Century it was used to refer to straight
loose-living people. But later picked up by the gay community.

It doesn't open the door to using offensive terms, I don't think.
It's not an excuse.
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Post by Synchronicity on Sat May 16, 2009 8:52 pm

...No. just no. it's not okay. Your argument is that you feel you should be able to say what you want because you don't mean it offensively, but why can't you just say "lame" for lame? Rather than risk having offending people, and hurting their feelings, not to mention sounding like a total bigot.

There's nothing ridiculous about getting offended by someone saying a phrase which was originally meant to hurt people, and honestly a good amount of the time when people "say that's so gay" they do know, and mean it offensively. Yeah not all the time, but a lot of the time yes.

So in the long run If you know that the word gay adopted the meaning lame because of it's other meaning of homosexual then yes it is offensive, if you really don't want it to be offensive then don't say it.

What i also don't like is that you're so defensive for your right to use a rude term. Just don't use it. like when i was in 7th grade i used "that's so retarded" a lot, and i didn't mean it as a dis at mentally challenged people, but then my friend got very angry at me for saying, and i found out it was because her brother is mentally challenged, so i made sure i never said it again. even though i didn't mean it offensively, and i did tell her that, i said to her "I didn't mean to offend you by saying it" but it doesn't change it does it? it doens't change that it gives mentally challenged people a bad name does it? It doesn't change that she was offended,and to say it's ridiculous for her to get offended or me, and my friends to get offended by using gay, is rude, and disrespectful. It's not ridiculous.
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Post by jazzbeans on Sat May 16, 2009 9:31 pm

People say what comes into their head, lame, gay, rubbish, uncool...
The term Gay was pretty popular here. So it was drummed into people's heads.

I don't use it to be honest, but I'm not against it.

People know it's not an offensive term in that context.
What I mean is, words have SO MANY MEANINGS. We understand which
meaning people use by context, if we took every meaning of every
word to be attached to each other, it'd be silly. Especially if people
took the time to look at accepted words now that used to be offensive.

Before homosexuals used it, Gay was originally meant sexually immoral.
Does that matter now?... No.

The reason I may seem defensive is because I hate people walking on eggshells
for no good reason!

People are far too word-conscious nowadays, which affects me in my life
at times and I hate it because I know the difference between when someone
is being offensive and when they are not. If I don't like something you've
said then I'll tell you and explain why, then I expect it not to be used around
me but my friends call my everything under the sun to do with being mixed-raced
and I don't care 'cause they're being playful, for example.

So I can totally understand why you stopped saying the retarded thing around
your friend, 'cause I wouldn't want to make someone feel uncomfortable either,
if that's how they feel. But I don't know anyone who's gay who cares about it's
(I think) seventh new meaning.
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Post by Synchronicity on Sun May 17, 2009 8:19 pm

it's really unfortunate that it has drummed into people's heads.

while i get what you're saying, about how people understand the context, but does that really matter if people still get offended by it? Even if you think it's ridiculous that they get offended.

In the long run, of course more terrible things happen in the world, and I honestly think the LGBT should be focusing their energy on more substantial things like marriage, and just plain tolerance, but I also think people should stop saying the "that's so gay" phrase because it's original purpose was offensive, and a lot of times still is.
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Post by jazzbeans on Sun May 17, 2009 10:05 pm

As I keep saying, the word "Gay" was offensive originally, too. But then things
changed and it became non-offensive, just like That's So Gay is no longer
(in most cases - regarding the United Kingdom) offensive.

As with many words and phrases that we all say and accept nowadays.

You have the right to be offended, but not to be protected from such potential
offence. Too many things can potentially be offensive. Basically, people have
just got to learn to chill out and recognise intent. 'Cause at the end of the day,
it's not what's actually being said that's the problem, it's the person who takes
it to offence is issue. Just tell the person you are uncomfortable with it and
take it on the chin in realisation that it's your problem.

I'm sure everyone can relate to being offended by something someone has said
(about whatever) when it wasn't meant to be offensive. But I don't think that
because some of us can't take certain things that these things should be
(in effect) banned. I'd never ban anything like that, regardless of my personal feelings.
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